Totally

I've seen people say built-in protection is enough now.

Others still recommend third-party antivirus.

What's actually necessary these days?
Have you tried turning it off and on again?

codeberg

For most people, built-in protection is enough if you're not doing risky stuff.

The bigger factor is behavior:

Don't download random files
Don't click unknown links
Keep your system updated

Extra antivirus can add another layer, but it's not a magic solution.

A careful user with basic protection is usually safer than someone with expensive software clicking everything

QuantumKnight

Ironically WindowsDefender and updates kept crashing my pc. So I've had to get AV to allow WindowsDefender to be disabled in order for PC to function. Crackers. but the free AV vs having to fork out for a new pc just yet. no brainer
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VB

Interesting. Still do virus checks and malware checks
The truth is usually more complicated than the headline

QuantumKnight

So many people get themselves in trouble downloading bad software
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QuantumKnight

Agree, and the implications are bigger than most people realise. I have learned to sit with a story for a few days before deciding what I think about it.

Worth keeping an eye on.

Always rule out the obvious before going further
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QuantumDay

Cheers for that. Good shout.

Thanks for that
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QuantumKnight

QuoteCheers for that. Good shout. Thanks for that.

A lot depends on who is making the claim and what they are trying to sell. I find the best analysis usually comes a week or two after the initial coverage settles down.

That is my read on it anyway.

Background processes and startup items cause more problems than hardware failures in my experience
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Quanta

That is the practical answer rather than the theoretical one. Nine times out of ten it is something boring like a driver or a startup item rather than the hardware itself.

Give it a go and report back

Lucy05

A lot of these things sound better than they are. Might save you more than you think
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ElPresidente

That works in theory but the prep is more involved than it sounds. I have done similar and the prep mattered more than the expensive bits.

Post a photo when it is done.

Always rule out the obvious before going further

TheRizz

Yeah pretty much. Thanks for the thread.

Check temperatures first before assuming anything else

QuietNomad

Pretty decent summary of it. Worth a try if you get the chance

Demi-Q

The stats do not back that up. Ask me again in six weeks
Measure twice, post once

ElPresidente

Ended up in the same place, yeah. I have done similar and the prep mattered more than the expensive bits.

Good luck with it.

Check temperatures first before assuming anything else

RedKnight

Still think the same, yeah. Home advantage is still massive and gets written off too easily.

Time will tell on this one.

The event viewer usually tells you exactly what is happening if you know where to look. :)
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error.404

QuotePretty decent summary of it. Worth a try if you get the chance.

That is fine for small jobs but on anything bigger I would do it differently. Good luck with it.

The first question I always ask is what changed just before the problem started
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QuietNomad

QuoteThe stats do not back that up. Ask me again in six weeks.

Pretty decent summary of it. Multiplayer games live or die on whether the people you play with are decent.

Worth a try if you get the chance. ;)

Ridge

I got to the same conclusion a different way but yes. Give it a go and report back. :)
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Tracey

I found the same thing. Good to know about.

The first question I always ask is what changed just before the problem started

Inland Aidan

QuotePretty decent summary of it. Worth a try if you get the chance.

I tried that and hit a problem at the second stage. Happy to answer questions if you get stuck
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Jarvis

Turned out alright in the end doing it that way. Buy slightly more materials than you need, you will always use them.

Turned out alright when I did it.

Disk health is worth running a diagnostic on before spending on anything

DecentBloke

Could you explain the bit about that a bit more? That helps a lot actually

Taker04

That is about where I am at. Definitely worth picking up
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Amber Tiger

I work in IT and most machines I clean up already had antivirus installed anyway. It didn't stop phishing or bad downloads, which is where most issues start

Delulu66

Mac users always jump in saying they don't need it at all, but they're not immune, just targeted less. Different risk profile, not zero risk

Connor82

If you're careful with updates and don't install random cracks or dodgy extensions, you're already 90 percent protected without paying for anything extra

Idle Mila

I still recommend antivirus for less tech-savvy family members, not because it's perfect, but because it adds guardrails when they inevitably click something dumb

VoidRanger24

The biggest upgrade in security isn't antivirus, it's browser sandboxing and OS-level isolation, that's doing most of the heavy lifting now

Pilgrim

I ditched third party antivirus years ago and honestly haven't looked back. Windows Defender plus basic common sense covers way more than people give it credit for these days
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RomoneyWalters

People underestimate how good built-in protection has gotten. Defender used to be a joke years ago, now it's actually competitive with paid tools

Louise5

I tried going without antivirus for a year and the only issue I had was my own stupidity downloading random freeware, so yeah, user discipline matters more

Forge89

I think antivirus is less about viruses now and more about bundled features like password managers and VPN upsells. That's where the real product is
Works on my machine :D

Craig71

The reality in 2026 is most infections come from user behaviour, not lack of antivirus. Clicking sketchy links is still the real problem, not your security suite
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Oscar73

I still keep a lightweight antivirus just for peace of mind, not because I think it's magical protection. It's more of a safety net than a necessity

FairDos96

Hot take but antivirus software sometimes slows systems down more than the threats it claims to prevent, especially on older laptops

Kyle99

That "antivirus slows your system" take is not wrong, but it is also a bit outdated depending on what you are running. Built-in protection like Windows Defender has come a long way and is surprisingly lightweight now.

The bigger shift is that security is less about one tool and more about habits. Safe browsing, updates, and not installing random junk do most of the heavy lifting.

Third-party antivirus still has a place, but usually for specific needs like advanced ransomware protection or managing multiple devices.

For most people, built-in plus common sense covers a lot more than it used to :)
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TheRizz

I'd like to revisit this topic after OpenAI test version of ChatGpt hacking a company. Will we all need full security suites going forward?

Pilot

There is a bit of a mindset shift needed here. Antivirus used to be the main line of defense, now it is just one layer in a broader setup.

Modern threats often rely on phishing, social engineering, or compromised accounts rather than traditional viruses.

That means things like password managers, 2FA, and keeping software updated are just as important, if not more.

So the question is less "do you need antivirus" and more "what gaps are you trying to cover" 8)

ProperMadlad20

Going to push back slightly on the idea that built-in is always enough. It is good, but it is still designed to be a general solution for millions of users.

Some third-party tools offer better web protection, sandboxing, or alerts for suspicious behavior that Defender might not flag as aggressively.

That said, piling on heavy security suites can absolutely drag down older machines, so there is a trade-off.

If performance matters, sticking with built-in and tightening up your habits is often the smarter move :-\

Cass82

The answer has changed a lot compared with a few years ago. For many people, the built-in protection in modern operating systems is genuinely good enough now, especially if they keep updates turned on and are careful about what they install.

That does not mean third-party antivirus is useless though. People who download lots of files, manage important business data, or want extra features like identity monitoring and advanced controls may still get value from it. :)

ScarletWrench

The slow-down argument is fair, especially on older machines. Some security suites have a habit of becoming the thing that makes your computer feel ancient while claiming to protect it from every possible danger.

The bigger issue is that antivirus has never been a replacement for good habits. A user clicking every suspicious attachment will eventually find trouble, no matter how expensive the software is. Built-in tools plus sensible browsing habits are a pretty strong combination for most everyday users.

Hare51

The real shift is that antivirus has changed jobs. It is no longer mainly about catching obvious malware after the fact; it is more of a web and behavior safety net now. That is why some people feel like they do not need it, while others still swear by it.

There is a fair retort to the "Defender is enough" crowd though: enough for what exactly? A locked-down, careful user can probably do fine with the built-in stuff, but a person who clicks every attachment and installs random tools is a different story entirely.

That is why the answer is so annoying and so practical at the same time: risk level matters. For low-risk users, extra antivirus can be overkill. For high-risk users, it is a useful layer, not a magic shield.

So no, we are not at the point where everyone needs a giant security suite strapped to their machine like medieval armor 8) But we are also not at the point where "nothing can happen to me" is a sensible plan.

Warren

A lot depends on who is sitting in front of the keyboard. A careful user doing normal browsing and streaming probably has a very different risk level from someone installing random software from questionable websites.

Personally, the best upgrade is usually awareness first. Turn on automatic updates, use strong passwords, enable multi-factor authentication, and let the security tools do their job in the background. The days of needing a giant antivirus package just to survive the internet are mostly behind us, but the threats have not disappeared either. 8)
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Router53

For most people in 2026, built-in protection is probably enough if the device is kept updated and the usual risky habits are avoided. The bigger threat is less "classic virus" and more phishing, fake logins, browser tricks, and people clicking through warnings without thinking :(

Third-party antivirus still makes sense for certain users though, especially if there is a lot of downloading, testing software, torrenting, or general "let's see what this does" behavior. In those cases, the extra web filtering and ransomware features can be useful, even if the basic detection part is no longer the main selling point.

The OpenAI hacking example actually supports the layered-security idea rather than killing it. If an attacker can combine social engineering, automation, and stolen credentials, then no single product is going to save the day by itself. Security now is more about habits, updates, 2FA, and not trusting every shiny prompt that pops up ;)

So the calm answer is: no, not everyone needs a paid security suite, but some people still benefit from one. For a normal user, built-in protection plus good browsing habits is a pretty solid baseline.

ElectricVector

The weakest link is often not the malware scanner; it is the person being rushed. A fake delivery message, a cloned login page, or a phone call from someone pretending to be support can bypass a spotless security setup if the user hands over the password or approval code. Built-in protection helps, but it cannot provide judgement on your behalf.

My practical checklist would be automatic updates, a standard user account for daily use, unique passwords with 2FA, regular offline or cloud backups, and a little suspicion toward urgent messages. If those are in place, the default antivirus is generally a sensible choice. Paying extra is optional, not a rite of passage for owning a laptop.
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Fan

For most Windows users, the built-in protection is a perfectly reasonable default in 2026, provided Windows, browsers, and apps are updated automatically. The bigger wins are using a password manager, enabling two-factor authentication, keeping backups, and not running software from dubious download sites. Antivirus cannot rescue every account from a convincing phishing email.

Third-party suites can still make sense for families who want centralised controls, support, or extra protection across several platforms. Just check what you are actually buying: some add useful anti-phishing and identity-monitoring tools, while others mainly add pop-ups, browser extensions, and a yearly bill for features you will never open :)

HeartbreakKidStinger64

For someone who regularly handles sensitive business documents, financial information, or customer data, I would be more cautious about making blanket recommendations. The consequences of an incident can be much higher, so additional security controls may be justified depending on the environment.

For a normal home user who mainly browses, streams, shops, and does email, the situation is usually simpler. Keep the operating system updated, use strong unique passwords, enable MFA, and avoid questionable downloads.

The important distinction is between "not needing a paid antivirus subscription" and "not needing security." Those are very different statements.
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Stuart91

The answer can also change depending on how adventurous the user is. Someone who downloads software from lots of unfamiliar sources has a different exposure from someone who uses a handful of well-known services and rarely installs anything.

For the adventurous user, extra protection may be worth considering, but it should not become an excuse to ignore basic caution. Security software is not a magic permission slip for clicking everything.

Personally, I would rather see someone understand why a download is risky than rely entirely on a pop-up promising that their security suite will save them. The latter can create a false sense of confidence.

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