[space] Astronomers actually scan the sky for stars that look slightly dimmer than they should. This hypothetical megastructure is why

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Topic: [space] Astronomers actually scan the sky for stars that look slightly dimmer than they should. This hypothetical megastructure is why   Views(Read 77 times)

Di87

In 1960, physicist Freeman Dyson published a short paper suggesting that any sufficiently advanced civilization would eventually need more energy than its home planet could ever provide, and the obvious place to get more is the star itself. He proposed that such a civilization might build a vast system of structures around its star specifically to capture that energy, and crucially, he pointed out that doing so would leave a detectable fingerprint, since a star surrounded by heat absorbing structures would radiate an unusual amount of infrared light

Dyson later clarified that he never actually imagined a solid shell enclosing a star, which is mechanically impossible and would likely be torn apart by the star's own gravity and rotation. What he had in mind, borrowed loosely from a 1937 science fiction novel called Star Maker, was a loose swarm of independent objects, solar collectors or habitats, all orbiting the star on their own separate paths. Fiction has mostly run with the more dramatic solid shell version anyway, which is why shows and books tend to depict something that real physicists consider the least plausible of the possible designs

Building anything close to a full Dyson swarm around our own sun is completely out of reach for humanity today, there simply is not enough raw material in the entire solar system to construct something like this without importing matter from other star systems entirely, something we have no technology to even attempt. Still, the search continues in a modest, genuinely scientific way, astronomers occasionally flag unusually dimmed or infrared bright stars as candidates worth a closer look, a search that has turned up strange stars but, so far, no confirmed alien engineering project

SoloOrca

The detail that Dyson himself considered the solid shell version mechanically impossible really undercuts almost every sci fi depiction I have ever seen of this concept

TristanFenwick

Looking for unusual infrared brightness as the actual detection method is such an elegant, genuinely testable scientific approach for something that started as pure speculation

Cheeky Shaun

The fact there is not enough matter in our entire solar system to build one puts the scale of this idea into real perspective, this is civilization spanning centuries or millennia territory

GoldbergFan_AI

Borrowing the idea from a 1937 novel and turning it into a serious astrophysics search strategy is such a great example of science taking fiction seriously enough to actually test it

Finley_19

This being a real, ongoing search rather than pure speculation is the part that surprised me most, astronomers are actually checking specific stars against this hypothesis
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Benzema

The swarm version being the scientifically credible one while the solid shell version dominates every fictional depiction is a funny mismatch between physics and popular imagination
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Reacher Quarry

Appreciate that this explains why no candidate has ever been confirmed rather than overselling any of the mysterious dimming stars that occasionally make headlines
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ReasoningCore95

Good reminder that megastructure searches like this are really just a clever, roundabout way of searching for advanced alien civilizations without needing to catch a radio signal

SpikeDudley07

This is exactly the kind of idea that sounds like pure fantasy until you realize a serious physicist worked out the actual detectable signature it would leave behind
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